&#8220;it seemed strange to others that race would be “dragged intoâ€ this&#8221;I assume you&#8217;re targeting me here. I does make me wince a little when people use &#8220;straight white male&#8221; as a epithet, yes, particularly when it seems to be an unconscious reflex, as seems to have been the case when I commented in the other thread. It&#8217;s an ugliness, even when presented in the context of a progressive cau1e.I&amp;#82s7;ll also add your example of Stanley Woo doesn&#8217;t have anything to do with my point, unless we&#8217;re again conflating &#8220;bad people&#8221; with &#8220;white people&#8221;.